[PHP-DEV] Proposal for license change

[m***@gmail.com]

No, you don't have to sell your soul to a commercial company. You just have to unite and form a legal entity/foundation like Mozilla or Python Software Foundation.

Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposal for license change

1, 2, 3. Zend?

Zend does not own PHP. And the waste majority of contributors do not
even work for Zend.
4, 5. GPL compatibility is for users to use PHP in a GPL-licensed

project, not for PHP developers to include GPL-licensed code in their PHP
project.

Well, even for the latter there are issues. Let alone the v3 and *GPL
licenses, which create even more confusions.

achieve the same effect as "removing the clause". The mark license would be
for copyright, so there would be no conflict with the trademark ("PHP®").

And how do you finance it? World wild?
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I'd like to respond to question of who owns PHP with some thoughts that I
trust are germane to the topic.
Why does the PHP project continue to be without any kind of corporate
sponsorship in contrast to the opensource project Ubuntu which is backed by
Canonical? If the PHP project were to have a company supporting it,
wouldn't it be better protected? And, with a company backing it wouldn't
the issue of acquiring a trademark then be feasible?
-- Sharon
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And if the company's shareholders decide they want PHP to go in a certain
direction, what then? I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea. It just
makes me really, really nervous. I'm not sure a trademark and funding
would be worth giving-up our independence.
--Kris

[m***@gmail.com]

And since nobody owns PHP and it is intended to be truly open and accessible to all, does it even make sense to restrict use of the PHP name and require permission from an entity?
In any case, may the US and UK trademark laws protect you. :)

Why does the PHP project continue to be without any kind of corporate
sponsorship in contrast to the opensource project Ubuntu which is backed by
Canonical? If the PHP project were to have a company supporting it,
wouldn't it be better protected? And, with a company backing it wouldn't
the issue of acquiring a trademark then be feasible?

And if the company's shareholders decide they want PHP to go in a certain
direction, what then? I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea. It just
makes me really, really nervous. I'm not sure a trademark and funding
would be worth giving-up our independence.

Right, not being beholden to any sort of corporate entity is very much
on purpose. Nobody "owns" PHP and at the same time we all "own" PHP.
That is the only way to keep PHP truly open and accessible to all, for
better or worse.
I also think you underestimate the hassle involved in getting (and
protecting) a Madrid-protocol international trademark for a 3-letter term.
-Rasmus
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[Stuart Dallas]

Post by m***@gmail.com
And since nobody owns PHP and it is intended to be truly open and accessible to all, does it even make sense to restrict use of the PHP name and require permission from an entity?
In any case, may the US and UK trademark laws protect you. :)

Why does this matter so much to you? Are you so desperate to call your product/project "PHP Whatever" that you really can’t accept that the PHP licence is not an accident?

As far as I know that clause exists to prevent any confusion over whether PHP (i.e. the community) has had any input in to or has endorsed a particular product/project. It’s that simple. And the only reason I can think of (which doesn’t in any way mean it’s the only reason that exists) for why you care so much is that you want to imply such a connection.

-Stuart
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Post by m***@gmail.com

Why does the PHP project continue to be without any kind of corporate
sponsorship in contrast to the opensource project Ubuntu which is backed by
Canonical? If the PHP project were to have a company supporting it,
wouldn't it be better protected? And, with a company backing it wouldn't
the issue of acquiring a trademark then be feasible?

And if the company's shareholders decide they want PHP to go in a certain
direction, what then? I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea. It just
makes me really, really nervous. I'm not sure a trademark and funding
would be worth giving-up our independence.

Right, not being beholden to any sort of corporate entity is very much
on purpose. Nobody "owns" PHP and at the same time we all "own" PHP.
That is the only way to keep PHP truly open and accessible to all, for
better or worse.
I also think you underestimate the hassle involved in getting (and
protecting) a Madrid-protocol international trademark for a 3-letter term.
-Rasmus
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[Ian]

Post by Stuart Dallas

Post by m***@gmail.com
And since nobody owns PHP and it is intended to be truly open and accessible to all, does it even make sense to restrict use of the PHP name and require permission from an entity?
In any case, may the US and UK trademark laws protect you. :)

Why does this matter so much to you? Are you so desperate to call your product/project "PHP Whatever" that you really can’t accept that the PHP licence is not an accident?
As far as I know that clause exists to prevent any confusion over whether PHP (i.e. the community) has had any input in to or has endorsed a particular product/project. It’s that simple. And the only reason I can think of (which doesn’t in any way mean it’s the only reason that exists) for why you care so much is that you want to imply such a connection.
-Stuart

Hi,

Do a Google search for '***@gmail.com license change' and
you will find many more projects have been the target of such license
change requests.

So come on, what's your motivation?


Ian